I Survived COVID, But Not the BGG Purges

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Warning. This post is quote long. If you’re curious about the current state of things, skip down to the “Last Straw” section below.

Background and Introduction

This is a post that’s taken me a long time to write. Mainly because in spite of the facts and reality which I’ve experienced, its truth is hard to convey without sounding like a paranoid or delusional lunatic. I am not a supporter of “victim” mentality by any stretch of the imagination. But there is a clear difference between being… playing a “victim” and being an actual victim (sans quotes) of unwarranted aggression by an oppressive person or persons. Some of you will read this and still cling to imagination over facts (and I’ve seen wild and inaccurate speculation on a few BGG posts already) and that’s fine. Wrong. But fine.

It’s also taken time because this last phase began at the same time I started showing symptoms of what would be diagnosed as COVID-19. It’s taken about three weeks to finally run its course (mostly), but today can say I’m probably at about 90-95% of my previous strength and energy. Some days just felt miserable. Thank the Lord there was no hospitalization required and my breathing never suffered. More on that later.

BGG has had a long history of unfairly and over moderating their forums. I’m the first one however to recognize that, in general, any privately owned site has the complete right to police their site’s content in any way they see fit. Private is private and we, well you, pay no fees to use BGG apart from advertising (or donations to block ads). I even initially supported Facebook and Twitter’s right to biasly censor free speech until it was clear that they do receive some government protections for their platforms as which point common sense says they cannot overreach. The problem with public created monopolies (i.e. the defacto “standard” for a market space) like Facebook, Twitter, and even BGG is that we’ve given them their power as private entities to function as pretty much a public utility. The first place you go for movie info would be IMDB. The first place (most) go for game information is BGG. Publishers know this and support the site with content, updates, etc… It’s a “public” service to their customers.

Anyway, rabbit trail followed there.

Matthew (aka “Octavian”) has been the primary community moderator for BGG for many years. He operates, presumably, with the full authority and approval of the don of the site Scott Alden (aka “Aldie”). Matthew’s heavy handed moderation, especially against folks on the political “right” is well known and well documented. Likewise, his excellent community involvement skills with regards to gift exchanges, charities, and trade/sale remediation are also well done. He does a lot of good. But he does a lot of bad. Very bad. Too.

Originally BGG has a moderation policy of initial warning, then timeouts (suspensions) of increasing length to try to remedy “bad” behavior. So it didn’t matter what the “next” offense might be, you just got the next tick on the scale. Admittedly, early on in my BGG days (I signed up in 2000 or so, but got “active” in 2011 or 2012 — username: HawkeyeLonewolf), I could be confrontational. Not just having different opinions, which of course we all do, but a little more aggressive in presentation of them. I assumed we were all adults and that BGG followed normal internet rules at the time. I’d dabbled on political discussion sites where everyone understood the rules of the game, moderation was reserved for egregious threats and insults. So most of my moderation dealt to me was deserved for not so much WHAT was said, but HOW I said it. I learned.

Due to a flaw in the BGG design, you could not request a username change. I had used HawkeyeLonewolf online all over for many many years, but grew tired of using a “handle” as they were called and wanted to use a more accurate “klkitchens” login on BGG. So I had that account removed completely and in October 2014 created a new account under that name (to the full understanding and discussion with Matthew). I then started a blog there “ones upon a game” that migrated to WordPress later on.

So moving ahead, eventually the rules of moderation on BGG changed and for the most part for the better. Instead of mandatory timeouts, offensive content was simply removed from the site. You’ve all seen posts replaced with moderator comments. This, I felt, was a much better solution. They could keep the site groomed to their liking while not punishing folks who accidentally stepped across their lines.

But while the moderation rules seemed to change, the rules of “behavior” and allowed content were not only constantly changing, they were kept secret from the general public. Things that were “ok” before were suddenly taboo. Enforcement likewise because unstable, unpredictable, and heavily biased.

For example, blogs had always been considered (by Matthew), personal opinion. You could express yourself (again within reason) courteously, but take a contrary position. When GENCON was threatening to leave the state a few years ago for a decision by Indiana’s government, I wrote an opinion piece supporting the government and encouraging GENCON to remain. Not wanting to run afoul, I sent it to Matthew in advance and he clearly expressed the blogs were given a little leeway and there would be no problem.

Even when someone crossed the line in a blog, the normal policy was to notify the poster and let them amend their post. A few years ago, Tony Boydell (of “Snowdonia” fame) used the “C” word (and I don’t mean cancer) in the TITLE of his post. So it was there on a front page for all to see. I reported it, he was contacted and given the OPTION of correcting it, not even a demand. Fortunately he did the right thing.

Flash forward to Spring 2020 when COVID was starting to spread, I shared an encouraging post with FACTS (and screenshots to support them) from CDC and other official sources. This was not fringe theories by any stretch just a hopeful, optimistic, we can do this, kind of post. Not only were my posts summarily removed without warning — no chance to correct what they felt was wrong — I was likewise suspended for two weeks for “spreading disinformation”. So the rules changed. Not only did the moderators remove the posts (on a blog which was supposed to be a little more protected) but also suspended my posting privileges. The rules changed, the violations changed, and then the punishment changed.

It was consistently inconsistent.

Seeing then that my blog was no longer safe on BGG, I decided to start moving some of the content from there to here. Somewhere safe from knee jerk reactions. Here’s the interesting part. I asked Matthew if he would reenable my posting privileges on the condition that I promised I would NOT post anything anywhere on the site during the two weeks. Here one might say “Scout’s Honor”, but since I was never a scout, I’ll refrain. But the gist is still the same. I agreed that should I slip up and and post, I would do so at the removal of my account from the site. I proposed this and gave my word and… he accepted. Because then, he knew that I am honest and honorable. No matter what those who disagree with me might say, they cannot and do not say that I’m a liar. Not tooting my horn here, I just try to keep my word.

So I learned on BGG to stay away from hot button areas. When the BLM-mania was going around last year, there was no way I was joining in the conversation. Not because I have any racist bone in my body, but because the conversation on BGG was not allowed to have the nuance required for serious discussion. The intolerant bullies were going to make sure you stayed on their track and not let logic or reason get in the way.

So since my early days of overstepping politeness, in the last two or more years, 95% of my troubles with BGG (and the malignant moderator Matthew) have been from accidentally and unknowingly crossing an ever moving, imaginary line of what one side feels is “correct” and any objections or conversation to the contrary is automatically assumed to be aggressive, no matter how sincere or politely expressed. Matthew got it into his imagination that I was deliberately setting off his fine-hair triggers. He never once considered the reality that I was just simply a part of “normal” people, who live and let live, are actually tolerant of different views, but likewise hold dear the American right to hold my own views and express them politely.

Through this time I was mislabeled and punished for being…

Sexist – For questioning how a game that made all characters male was sexist, but a game making all characters female was not likewise sexist.

White Supremacist – For bringing up the fact (in valid context on a Wargames Civil War discussion) that slavery was not the ONLY reason for the Civil War. Sadly one leading wargame designer proved he was no historian in this thread and turned me off to his designs forever.

Racist – Again. For commenting on a discussion about Spirit Island that I hoped it’d be rethemed because you had to play the “bad guys”. Meaning you play evil spirits killing human beings. I had no idea the evil spirits were killing “colonials”. But as a Christian the idea of playing evil spirits period was a turn off. But nope, I was (to Matthew) stating the colonists were the good guys for oppressing the native population. Nothing approaching those words ever came out of my mouth/fingers.

Troll – For seriously asking if the game CO2 was steeped in global warming or if it just dealt specifically with controlling CO2 levels. Global Warming is proven science to Matthew (and others) so to them there is no reason anyone should apparently object to it. I’d just heard it was a good game, but before buying it wanted more information to see if I personally could play it in good conscience.

The Last Straw?

If you’ve read this far, thank you. If you’ve scrolled this far, thank you as well.

Around January 5, I developed a small dry cough. Felt to me like post-nasal drip and nothing to worry about. But it continued on to January 6 and beyond on on the 8th my wife and I went to get a COVID test. Our son’s co-worker had it and a few others there, including our son, tested positive. So either we’d have natural immunity or we were in for a ride. We took the ride. Though my wife’s test came back negative (she probably tested one day too early as she did end up with it), mine came back positive the next week.

During this same time, Awaken Realms had decided a thank you to the community would be the addition of an Elon Musk character card for their game ISS Vanguard. Being a backer, I saw this update and thought it was cool idea, but no biggie. I didn’t give it much thought. Awaken Realms however later was lambasted by a noisy minority who made some claims about Elon Musk (which to this day I’m still not aware of) and how their woke little minds could not possibly allow this pioneer of space travel to be honored in a board game. The company folded and removed the card from consideration.

OK, so for this next part we need to consider something. If someone posts a thread asking about the benefits of eating red apples, then that is the topic of the post. There seems to be nothing wrong with red apples, the discussion is about red apples. Now if another person joins the discussion, but all they want to do is discuss how much better green apples are than red apples and red apples are for losers, etc… then suffice it to say the person who comes into a thread and starts posting contrary to the topic at hand would be the one “trolling”. Anyone discussing red apples would just be on topic. Logic and reason apply here… or at least should. If for some reason red apples are a taboo subject (as many subject these days have become taboo unaware to the normal, general public), that’s a different matter. So bear that in mind as I continue.

Someone posted on BGG in the ISS Vanguard forum asking if anyone had saved the Elon Musk card image before it was removed from the crowdfunding campaign. This was the first that I’d heard it was removed and could not for the life of me understand why. All AR had posted was that they apologized and didn’t want to create any bad feelings (they created more by removing it, but that’s another matter). On BGG, someone had saved the image and shared it. I’d stated I didn’t know why it was removed and someone offered speculation on it. The whole conversation was quite civil. I’d stayed pretty much on the periphery of anything that could be remotely considered controversial and even cautioned that the thread probably would not be around very long (as the anti-Elon forces — in this case: the Trolls were starting to show up. Someone commented that Elon was a positive role model for the African-American community, and I, knowing little about him besides 1. Space-X, 2. Tesla, 3. Moved his company from CA to TX, thought “Wow, didn’t know he was African-American. Cool!”. Some “troll” decided to post questioning how Elon could be considered “African-American”, so I looked it up and found out that he’s from Africa (South Africa) and was now an American. So yes, truly a first generation African-American.

I asked the person, in all sincerity, how he would NOT be considered to be African-American given the facts above. Any American of Asian heritage is Asian-American. Any American of Mexican heritage is Mexican-American. So logic says any American of African heritage is African-American. Common sense. He questioned if I could possibly serious or if I was just (get this) “trolling”. I assured him I was completely serious and sincere and he replied with a link to some word-twisting leftist think tank article justifying the claim. An opinion sure. But not valid policy and certainly not something that us normal people are going to be aware of. Regardless, and good for me, I let it drop there. I didn’t argue the point with the actual “troll” at all. I just let it go. In fact, at the point, as it was clear the “other side” was going to start invading the so–far civil thread, I immediately took preventative action and removed all my posts from the thread. I cannot delete replies others have made quoting me, but in the past, getting out of a thread has prevented any potential backlash from the malignant moderators. And again, since the thread (from the point of my exit) was pretty much mature people discussing an issue — that apparently was a hidden minefield — there was really no harm. The worst that would happen is the thread get locked, perhaps some posts removed. The new “norm” for BGG moderation. No worries. I was out of there.

Later that night I got a surprise message from Matthew inquiring about the meaning of my current avatar.

I explained it was nothing political, but just that I’d felt America as we knew it had died in 2020. Nothing related to the election or anything else. No matter what answer I gave him (and since when have avatars been questioned?) he kept probing with “How so” and “why”, etc… I guess just waiting for me to say something he didn’t like. After 3-4 rounds of this lunacy, I changed out my avatar and moved the above image to my bio page. I pointed him to another user who had blatant political commentary on his bio page that had stood for nearly a year and that any concerns about my avatar should not be objectionable anymore.

“And then it all went horribly wrong”

Hank Hill

The next morning I had a notification for a private message. The ominous “User Moderation” was the subject. That’s never good. But as I’d received my unwarranted and unfair share of them, I figured he’d removed my photo. Imagine my surprise when I clicked it to find out that my account posting privileges had been permanently suspended from the site for my long-deleted posts in the Elon Musk thread. It was claimed that I was “trolling” in that thread. Now in no way was I trolling based on the initial topic. Likewise there was nothing in any of my posts that was offensive — except for asking about the imaginary claim about African-Americans not being African-Americans. But regardless I had removed my posts. I forwarded this obvious error to Matthew, but he dug his heels in. Claimed removing posts beforehand doesn’t (now) exempt you from punishment. Basically he was “la-la-la-la-la” with his fingers plugging his ears, “the ruling stands”.

Of course this was the day my coughing was getting worse, we were going to get tested, and my brain function was starting to diminish. I didn’t feel much like arguing about it. I was sick. So whatever.

The thought of gaming was more than just a bit tainted by this wrongness. The COVID was playing a part sure, but coming into my office to try and work (where my game area is as well), was annoying me. The thought of gaming was no longer any fun. Not being able to share with others about playing, customizing, etc… It was, as they used to say, quite the bummer.

Slowly though, I began to accept this as my new status. At least I can still like, subscribe, tip, send private messages, etc. I can still respond (privately) to people commenting on my many site contributions. I can still maintain my collection information, post plays with the BGStats app, etc. I can still get updates from publishers and download files as necessary, etc. I just could not post on the site. And maybe, someday, Matthew would mature and undo the damage he’s done. So I could live with it.

I had no other choice.

So the next week was a roller coaster of COVID fun. Mostly the first week to ten days being like a bad cold. Then you either get better or it drops down into your chest potentially causing more issues. Did a phone visit with my doctor, got the standard regimen of drugs and began the next phase. Each day was different. I’d feel better in the evening, then wake up all night long in a fitful sleep. Or feel tired and zombie-like all day and then rest all night. It’s been very bizarre to say the least.

Saturday the 16th I was actually feeling pretty good. I’d started to be interested in at least playing some games soon. Perhaps paring down my collection (through BGG marketplace no less) and only concentrate on the games I really, really enjoyed.

I had subscribed to one auction item for a copy of BattleTech Starter Set. Looked to be in a reasonable range, the minimum reserve had not yet been met. So I decided to bid. Of course I could not post on the actual item, but I could “phone in” a bid to the seller and see if he would accept it. After explaining that I was not allowed to post and why, I offered him my bid of $20 and he accepted it. I told him that IF he were to post the “phone-in” bid on the auction item, I’d thumb it so that anyone looking would know it was legit.

So he did.

The auction ended later that night.

I won the item. Yay!

Banned on the Run

Visiting the site on Sunday morning however, it seemed the site was having trouble. I couldn’t get in. I asked on a MeWe.com boardgaming group if anyone else was having issues, but they were not. Odd. So I used the “contact us” page to ask if there was a site down issue…

@!%!**#~@#!!

Sarge, “Beetle Bailey”

Matthew was really grasping a straws here. I can understand if I contacted another user to post a reply to a general thread on my behalf. But here all I did was ask the seller if he’d take a bid via GeekMail. He did and chose to post the private bid on his own to the auction item. I explained this to Matthew, but his logic circuits have been seared completely.

My history of boundary pushing? When during a two-week suspension, he trusted my integrity enough to make the suspension “in name only”, so I could edit blog posts (to move them here). I worked WITHIN the boundaries of my suspension. I did nothing to circumvent the rules and restrictions. He could have seen the post was made by the seller. He could have reached out to the seller to confirm my story. But he didn’t want the facts, he wanted his feels.

You are a sad strange little man and you have my pity.

Buzz Lightyear

That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. He’s got issues. No idea what they are or why he remains with the unchecked power that he has. Unless Aldie and the rest are either just as bad. Or because of the good things he admittedly does, they turn a blind eye to his tyranny. Who knows?

Anyway… after the shock of this last completely unbelievable action of Matthew and the COVID haze began to clear, I realized that there was no longer a reason to keep my account on BGG. All the game modifications, videos, posts, etc… people could respond to me, but I’d never see them. People could private message me and I’d never see or respond to them. A ban is just that… you cannot log in for any reason. No longer could I sell on the marketplace, trade, private message, let people know what happened to me, etc., post plays of games (and I had planned to do a 25×4 challenge in 2021). But to the world my account would be there, just not logged on. My content I created for the community would reap BGG page views and add value, but would basically be stolen from me.

So a few days later, after I’d calmed down and thought it over. I requested my account be permanently deleted from the site with all my content.

Crazy boy was all too happy to comply. Good for him. Perhaps they’ll sharpen all his crayons for him as a reward for responding in only 22 minutes.

So endeth my era on boardgamegeek. I’m not the only one who has been driven off due to the insane moderation policies of the site. And I’m sure I won’t be the last. Seems that in the last year and even more so the last few months, the desire to “purge” and “cancel” has become the first reaction of a certain type of people. Rather than get along and be tolerant, they must eliminate thought they disagree with. BGG was doing it long before Facebook ever thought about it. But just because their brand of evil has become commonplace doesn’t make it right.

I hope that you’ve read this with an open mind. I’ve tried to be as honest as possible — sans a few last second digs at whatshisface.

I’m not sure what this means for me as far as blogging and content creation going forward. When the biggest boardgame community (the majority of its users being very solid and respectful people of all faiths, politics, and lifestyles) ignorantly cuts you off from participation, it makes it much harder to reach and build an audience. No hard and fast decisions now. Need to let things play out. But apart from missing the solo gaming community on BGG, there is a sense of freedom knowing that Matthew’s Mystery Minefield can no longer explode in my face for innocently making a wrong step.

Author: klkitchens

35 thoughts on “I Survived COVID, But Not the BGG Purges

  1. I’m done with BGG, the outrage mob (who REALLY needs some knucklehead from Finland telling us how America should be governed) and also the egregiously biased moderation (Octavian is the worst on-site moderator I have ever encountered or ever had a problem with) just became too much. Not to mention BGG openly allowing people to blindly denigrate and trash CSW in a long-running thread while censoring/suspending anyone who politely came to CSW’s defense. What the f___?

    Don’t get me wrong, BGG can be a great resource. However, I voluntarily erased my account, ended the BGG addiction, and am much happier doing so as a result – I don’t want to be associated with a site that’s operated like BGG, plus I have opened up more free time that I spend actually gaming!

    The new CSW Community is focused 100% on gaming and history, so that’s now my go-to site.

  2. Pity….
    To have this foolish politically correct BS FORCE itself into our hobby by “virtue signalers”….is pathetic in the extreme…

    Good luck, look for more venues—hell, maybe we start one and scrape and link to BGG, use all their content but manage
    everything without this kind of BS.

    I think you are right, the US as we knew it…for >60years is no more…..

  3. Left BGG last year and haven’t regretted it.

    They used to have a very good solution to politics, which was to keep it in its own little RSP sandbox. Then they had to let politics sully the whole site – but only the kind of politics they like. No thanks.

    There are a million places on the internet to argue about politics… why did they have to turn a boardgaming site into another one?

  4. I’ve donated to BGG for years, but after they started supporting marxism last summer and started deleting ANY comment that in any way could be construed to be critical of BLM or any comment asking them to not go political, I decided to never send them a dime again, ever. I don’t mind the ads since my browser blocks them.

    The thing about moderating is that you have to be a good person to do it fairly and you have to not let your personal beliefs sneak into your moderating or it ends up silencing other speech.

    The internet has given people the power to shut down and silence others and it seems to have spread into the Biden “administration” as well. In many ways the nation did die in 2020, you can have an opinion but if it isn’t the “right one” (whatever that is) you will be canceled/silenced. Limiting speech has become a weapon for the intolerant.

    Thanks for the interesting post.

  5. Wow, I just completed an interesting journey . . . that led me here.

    Kevin, this is Cliff (BGG: godurmyall). I was looking for a post that I thought you’d done for some LOTR:TCG upgrades over on BGG’s PIFF thread. I searched through the long list of item titles and couldn’t find the right entry, so I figured I’d look for you by username instead. . . . . And now I’m here. Again, wow.

    We went through the COVID thing in our household last year, so there’s a bit of “I feel your pain”, but I simply wanted you to know that you’re not alone, my friend. We’ve never met, and I don’t know that we will this side of eternity, but I’m one who has found himself agreeing with things you’ve shared more than disagreeing with them, and I’ll miss your voice over on BGG. Happy to have found you here, and I’ll make it a point to pop in and comment every once in a while.

    So, all of that to simply say, “Hi!”. Oh, and if you want to email me a link to that ridiculously-overpriced but ultra-cool LOTR:TCG token upgrade set, that’s cool.

  6. So, I was over on BGG trying to find a post from a certain apparently now non-existent user and tumbled down the rabbit hole until I landed . . . here.Hey Kevin, this is Cliff (BGG: godurmyall). Just wanted to let you know that you’re not alone, that I’ve felt your COVID pain myself when it ran through half of our household back in September, and that I’m happy to have found my way here. Over the years on BGG, I’ve always discovered myself agreeing with your posts more than disagreeing, and I’m sorry that you went through all that nonsense. Keep on keeping on and be encouraged that you are not alone.And also know that despite your best efforts to cover your tracks, you couldn’t keep me from figuring out what that thing was that you posted that I couldn’t remember what it was . . . Burger Tokens FTW! Ha! Take that, KLoneKitchenHawkWolfWhatsyerface!

  7. I had no idea this happened to you, though I admit I stay off of general discussion forums as much as possible. I learned by lesson during the Scramble For Africa bruhaha, where it became quite obvious to me that the moderators considered some posts “trolling” and others not, while there was no real distinction. A few specific individuals had free rein, and others (including myself) were having posts removed. I also had contact about this, but no clear answer was given. I realized then, that open discussion on touchy subjects was a no-go.

    And, of course, in recent times, BGG has broken their own guidelines on mixing politics with gaming in News and General Discussion forums, and the like. As others countered: “But that’s not politics” or “Silence is consent”, I was certainly dismayed to see this nonsense seeping into the core of what used to be a board gaming community and website. There is, of course, a lot to be said about demographics and board gaming, and that there is much to gain, but arbitrary tie-ins of broader world politics and gaming is NOT the way to go, in my opinion. Though that opinion, in itself, will to some be construed as being part of the problem.

    Anyway, Kevin, I am saddened and disheartened by your experiences, especially with regards to how much you have done for the (solo) board gaming community. I hope that, at some point, everyone wakes up from this mass psychosis, and we can all treat each other as we should: fellow human beings, fellow board gamers. There is no other measure that is worth holding to.

  8. Sorry to hear about this Kevin. I too was banned from BGG for two weeks for posting something from the CDC website in one of the wargame forums where there was a discussion about COVID. I said absolutely nothing offensive and simply responded to what someone said with information that I got from the CDC site.

    I enjoy a small group of people on BGG and I enjoy the 1PG. I stay off the rest of the forum and I try not to let the virtue signalers and the bullies get to me. There have been times where I have typed out long responses to something and just deleted it. Felt good.

    Just like Gab, it’s time for us to have an alternative to BGG! 🙂 I wish you the best and will continue to follow you.

  9. Hi Kevin,
    I had no idea that this had happened. Really sorry to hear you have gone from BGG. I’ve always appreciated reading your posts.
    With you, and people like Steve Carey gone from the site, BGG is a lot poorer.
    I hope you continue to recover from the COVID-19 virus, and reach a full fitness again soon.
    I also hope you continue to enjoy games and write about them , and share your thoughts.
    All the best,
    Dave Daffin
    (Dave in Ledbury)

  10. You have a twitter handle? I’d like to get in contact with you and organize like minded individuals who love games and can have free discussions.

    @TheEnforcerTT

    1. No… in the wake of the oppression coming from Facebook and Twitter and other social media platforms, I’ve removed myself from their putrid playground.

  11. Glad I stumbled on this…you are not alone! I just got IP banned for pointing out the hypocrisy of their feigned inclusivity…insane after causing no trouble for 10 years. Luckily I am seeing there is a world apart from BGG. Trying BG Atlas now and will be open to a new community!

    1. Seems they are “cleaning” house as it were. I hope that the thinking publishers (those who may or may not agree with them politically) will recognize how destructive this is for the overall industry. They were positioned to be the IMDB or Wikipedia of boardgaming, but have decided that their intolerant personal views are more important than being inclusive for real.

  12. Ditto. Got banned this week for a comment made over 10 years ago, after years of no moderation.

    Lets be honest, Octavian is a petty little [BLEEP] who likely got his milk money taken alot as a child.

    BGG discredits themselves by leaving a goof like that in charge of moderation. There is no consistency, and several reports verify his moderation notices are just as crummy as the post he moderated himself.

    Again, spineless lil worm who would likely [BLEEP] himself if he had to take such a hard stance with anyone in person. Coward keyboard SJW.

    Edited by Admin to keep site family friendly. Thanks!

  13. I was just banned for a post that was 11 years old. Pathetic behavior, from someone in charge of moderating a forum. The fact that BGG allows his abuse discredits their site.

    Octavian is a gutless [BLEEP], who would no doubt have a different tone if he tried to pull his garbage in a face to face situation.

    All good things cone to an end, and BGG will continue its downward trend as long as they subscribe to their hivemind and leave their moderations up to a [BLEEP] like the coward Octavian.

    Edits to keep family friendly.

  14. That BGG has gone political should not surprise anyone. A fundamental aspect of the new American WOKE is that everything, literally everything must be politicized. The mere desire to play a game, watch a game, review a game or design a game without any reference to the systemic racism, sexism, and the overall “badism” of America in and of itself constitutes an offense against progressive philosophy, and needs to be regulated, reduced and eventually eliminated.

    This leftist totalitarianism is just that, total. No aspect of life, even the tiny hobby of boardgaming, can be spared from ever more rigorous purges of the “unenlightened”. Here’s a prediction: Look for future games to come with disclaimers from the producers that the games do not advocate, slavery, capitalist exploitation, imperialism or sexism…

  15. Matthew (aka “Octavian”) clearly has a political agenda and an inflated ego. I regret the monetary donations I have made to that site over the years and will never do so again. I am one of the many culled by him in the Tiny Epic Dungeons debacle post. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2612018/can-we-talk-about-women-box-cover

    It started with Elizabeth Hargraves, creator of Wingspan, choosing to air her grievances with the fantasy artwork for a female elf on the cover of the game in the Kickstarter currently running. The public may have their opinions on representation but but for a Game Publisher to crap on another publisher at the start of their Kickstarter is the epitome of classlessness and I will never, ever, give her a cent. The art was typical comic fantasy tropes of which a fair share of people got sand in their panties. Strangely nobody took offense by the shirtless hyper muscled and unrealistic male representations… Anyway, five pages in with the normal BS in motion and the publisher having already changed the art people were still frothing. I stated that after five pages of this the only thing I knew was that I was backing the game. Boom, multiple day ban for being dismissive. Apparently not agreeing with someone’s complaint is the definition of dismissive.

    So a couple days later this mess starts on BGG. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2613582/article/37175773#37175773 For those who aren’t aware scores of users were outright lifetime banned from the same thread I had been given a two day ban for. Looking into the comments on the KS it was clear many of those banned were simply at the will of Octavian since they did not agree with the issue and he was getting personal glee at swinging the axe. He went so far as to ban on user’s 9 year old daughter just because her IP matched her father although was a different user. He truly went full jackass. This new thread was talking about how many horrible BGG users there are which were revealed by the recent KS thread… Wow. You can see my comment on Page 6 (Ken H) and pasted below.

    Ken H
    @Musketeer_Ken
    Posted, Mar 5
    “Mart van de Wege @mvdwege
    A community insulated from misogyny, racism, LGBT+-phobia sounds like heaven to me.”
    and labels of misogyny, racism, LBGT+-phobia are never hurled around indiscriminately at the first disagreement with a position or complaint… Disagree with the definition of those in power with how those labels are applied and it cannot even be discussed, the bans are handed out. Only one opinion is allowed. I suppose that is a good thing if that opinion is yours and free discourse isn’t a priority. I believe there are grounds for a healthy dose of nuance and tolerance for all sides of the discussion so long as people are not hurling personal insults.

    Immediately Mr. De Wege declared I was wrong and that all those comments did fall into said categories… Wow. My response was that this is the problem. We are automatically assuming all of these people are hateful, racist, sexist monsters without seeing that there is room for debate. Labeling them as such is wrong and banning them simply because you have a different opinion is also wrong. BOOM, lifetime ban!

    Now I had gotten into an argument with Octavian years earlier with a temp ban in a thread about claims of sexual harassment against a game designer at a show, technically at a bar outside a show, in a pure he said / she said scenario. I made the point that making such claims, which carry real harm to them, without evidence is not proper and that someone is not guilty simply because an accusation is made. Octavian disagreed. According to him you can never question the details or accuracy and you MUST state that you believe the accuser. I look forward to the day someone accuses Octavian of something horrific because remember, it is only the accusation which counts…

    The guy is an ass.

    Make a thread claiming there something a is racist, sexist, etc. is fully approved! Questioning that is a banning offense.

  16. My BGG Story
    A few weeks ago, a person posted on their blog that they got their ‘COVID Jab’ and made a very rude and insulting comment about people who have a different view on vaccines. I expressed my opinion on the subject matter stating that we shouldn’t insult people based on their views especially religious ones. I went on to explain how virus theory was essentially a religious belief (I will get to the science in a bit so just bear with me). There were some other people who started to discuss the science with me. I was told off by the OP a couple of times (very rudely) and then as no surprise, my account was suspended.

    Just note, I have had my BGG account since 2012 and never had any bans, warnings, etc. I mainly kept my comments strictly to gaming, rarely posting anything except content for the games that I love. But I feel strongly about this global insanity and felt that my view should be expressed without people openly being hostile to the people who hold these views.

    Mathew informed me that I was posting disruptive comments on someone’s blog. I asked for clarity and we came to the conclusion that if the op says to go away, then regardless of what content you are adding (even when relevant to the post), that I would just go away.

    But then Mathew slipped in that if I wanted my posting comments back, that not only would I need to agree to the above (which I did), but I would also have to agree to not post ‘misinformation’. And then he said if I would ‘argue’ any of the points, that it demonstrates that I do not agree and that my account would be permanently suspended from posting comments.

    You can see that such a statement is nothing short of tyranny, an impossibility for rational and respectful discussion.

    I wanted to know what he meant by ‘misinformation’ and how I could comply with such a rule (there are no rules regulating misinformation). Just me asking him the question of ‘what is misinformation’ got me permanently banned. Then he simply refused to answer my requests.

    I sent a private message to the head admin (the first on the list). This was apparently forwarded to Mathew who just said that my message was forwarded to him. Nothing else.

    So I send a private message to many of the other admins hoping for a way of remediation. All of my messages were deleted almost instantly (I could see in my outbox). I offered Mathew to have a face to face zoom meeting where I could explain my view points and we could address any information in which he thinks it is ‘misinformation’. Of course, this was ignored.

    So I sent yet another private message to an individual admin asking if they would remediate.

    Then, my account was completely suspended (just like you, I couldn’t see my profile, etc). So I sent an email to admins asking why I couldn’t log in.

    Matthew responded that I have been permanently banned for ‘harassment’. I asked for clarification and received nothing back.

    I found your post and that gave me the idea to request an account removal. They complied with my request. I did not want them profiting off of my content (which I have uploaded heaps to my favourite board games).

    Virus Theory
    Have you ever read a scientific paper on viruses? I surely had not prior to 2020. I was ‘educated’ about viruses from my parents, my teachers, and my allopathic doctors probably like most people. I live in New Zealand and was shocked to be locked down in my house for 6 weeks. During this time, I wanted to learn as much as I could about viruses and virus theory.

    I started reading many papers on the subject of viruses. To my amazement, not a single paper actually provided valid scientific evidence for the existence of viruses. The first requirement is to make sure you have the ‘thing’ you are studying by itself. This process is known as isolation and purification.

    Let me put it this way. If you want to study gold to learn about all of the properties of gold like its conductivity, you will need to isolate and purify gold. So you will dig gold samples from a mine, remove the dirt, dust, and rocks. Then you will melt the gold down and separate out any of the impurities so that you have 100% pure gold. Once you have your 100% pure gold, than it’s time to start doing experiments to classify your gold.

    This process of isolating and purifying never was done for SARS-COV-2 (the virus that is alleged to cause the COVID-19 disease). Isolation and purification for any alleged virus has never been done.

    To confirm my analysis, a colleague and I wrote to many scientific organizations around the world including the USA CDC, UK’s GO Science, and Universities. Using the Freedom of Information Act in their respective countries, we asked for any records demonstrating the isolation and purification for SARS-COV-2 (and many other viruses). All responded that they did not have any records.

    There is at least a 100 year history of viruses (all before it was even possible to isolate and purify viruses). At least from the 1950’s it became possible to do the necessary process of isolation and purification. But they haven’t done this not a single time. Just to give an example, exosomes are rountinly isolated and purified from humans which are roughly the same size and shape as the alleged viruses.

    Virologists have skipped this crucial step and flat out tell us it’s impossible to isolate and purify viruses from humans. Can you guess their excuses? It depends on who you talk to. Like religion where you have many different sects, so too do virologists have their different ideas.

    I have read that some virologists will say that viruses cannot be separated from cells. Ok, then how does a virus transmit between cells? Doesn’t make sense.

    I have also read that some virologists say that when viruses bud out and leave the cells, that they are extremely short lived and therefore there isn’t enough time to do the purification work. Ok, then how can a virus infect another person if viruses are too short lived to be purified?

    Some virologists will say that there simply aren’t enough viruses in a patient sample to isolate and purify. Ok, then what about a cadaver (a person who died of the alleged disease caused by the alleged virus)? There should be heaps of viruses in a person who died from that disease. Well, I was told it’s too dangerous to harvest tissue from those people (I was actually told this on the phone).

    Every virologist has their own take. The reason is simple, they don’t actually use science to prove their claims. I could go down the track of how Virologist is like a religion but this email is already very long.

    If you would like to learn more about the papers that I have read and want free access to the Freedom of Information Act responses that I have received by the governments and science organisations, please see my web site: http://thevirushoax.net

  17. I just got banned from BGG for nothing. They are cracking down hard over the Frosthaven thing. Just started a FB group call Board Game Ban Wagon. Hoping to create a fun “group for avid board gamers who want to respectfully discuss all kinds of issues. If you’ve been banned from BGG for expressing an opinion, or if you just value free speech in the context of our hobby, ALL are welcome. Just keep it respectful!”

    The point of the group will be board games more than bashing BGG.

    1. I left Fecebook behind in November due to their similar policies, unfortunately.

      Not aware of the “Frosthaven” thing… what’s up there?

  18. I was banned from the boardgamegeek facebook group by Matthew Octavian because I commented that “There is too much activism in the hobby” on some sjw’s post about representation in the Goonies game. No warning and honestly no I have history of fighting with people on that group. Then I saw Matthew gloating about the banning on twitter immediately after. Its interesting to me that I had 18 likes and 3 angry or laugh responses to my comment on facebook. That looks to be 84% of people agreed with what I had said.

  19. So, what are the alternatives to BGG forums?

    I see people creating FB groups. Is that what the BG community is down to?

    1. TBH, I left Facebook for the same unwarranted policing of posts and restricting of free (not hate) speech. Right now for wargamers there is Consimworld (and its new community forum). For others, MeWe.com is a Facebook knockoff, well done but not (yet) as high volume. But FREE. And there is BoardGameAtlas.Com too.

  20. I also got banned from BGG, in that I’m permanently locked out of my account. Tempted to email Octavian myself and tell him to torch my account completely. Primarily happened because I expressed concern with this information blackout regarding a potential reprint of a 1979 board game titled Divine Right. The controversial thing about that is the publisher publishing the reprint. I made some “art for art’s sake” argument, without any swearing or insults, on a BGG blog post. They canned me for that. Well, I opted to repost that same blog post on my website, except this time I didn’t hold back on the swearing and insults (my site isn’t family friendly).

    Noticed BGG had been going down the tubes since about 2016, and it’s only gotten worse. All these jerks kept telling me I was being overly paranoid and overreacting to the SJW overreach. Well, they’d still probably tell me the same thing today, but that would just be ignorance on their part. Such a pity seeing which members are getting kicked off of (or just flat out leaving) BGG because of this, including Calandale, who was probably one of the most reasonable people out there.

    Only reason I’m tempted not to request the admins to nuke my account just yet is because some of my reviews that are still up there link to my website. Plus I made this expansion to a cult classic board game from 1979 titled Magic Realm, where just the hints of its existence remain on the game page. Not to mention some extensive tutorials I made for the base game. Resources that have helped many learn the game. Would be a pity to have that go away.

  21. Glad to see I’m not alone. I’m also locked out of my account for supposed trolling when I posted on the new Witcher game forum about female mages, and how many should there be. I suggested why not only female mages, because really why not? I kind of meant it as a joke, not mean spirited, but I really don’t care the ratio of genders in my board games. Once I realized I was locked out, I had a great (sarcasm) time emailing back and forth with Octavian, and he was trying to understand what the joke was, and I eventually realized what was happening, so I declared I was not joking, but rather quite serious, that there should be more female mages, and what would be wrong with that? Octavian seems to be quite the unreasonable fellow. Anyway, haven’t heard back, tempted to have my account nuked also. Sad. I’ve been with BGG since 2005 or so, and the moderation is so over the top, it’s astounding. Somehow back in the day we had all kinds of discussions with different viewpoints, and some jokes, and it seemed we all got along. Now, no joking….there may be offence somewhere!
    Thanks for letting me vent……and I do appreciate all your stories. The world is becoming unhinged.

    1. Wow, sorry to hear this. Had hoped it had died down over there, but seems it’s still a bad situation that the owners of the site don’t care to correct. I find it worse that not a single publisher has taken them to task for it, but then again, they’ve tolerated Fecebook too, so why would they.

      It’s very easy to just assume that they are getting rid of truly “bad apples”, but a casual glance at the evidence doesn’t support that myth at all. And percentage-wise it’s so few people they’ve removed, that BGG still remains the #1 place for publishers to stay in touch with their customers without building their own community elsewhere.

  22. I too was permantly banned , apparently for being dismissive, in the The witcher forum. Been a member since 2009 and was flabbergasted to have my account shut down, for such a misdemeanour. After a few messages back and forth with Mattthew, I’ve come to the conclusion he’s on a mad power trip, a complete narcissist..

    1. So sorry to hear this keeps going on. I keep hoping things will settle down and civility, tolerance, and decency will take over the site… but so far the BGG powers that be allow one person to tarnish all the good that the site has done over the years. And game companies still allow it to be the de facto means of communicating with their customers… ignoring the fact that a good portion of their customer base is being dropped from the discussion for holding valid viewpoints that aren’t inflammatory at all except to people who cannot win on their ideas, but only with bullying and oppression.

  23. I learned a lot from Octavian’s moderation, my suspension, and my account lockout, which resulted in significant losses to my board game businesses and a modest revenue loss to BGG. I hadn’t realized just how disturbed the community “fighting for social justice” had become.

    1. Yes… that they extend their intolerance and oppression to actually hinder designers and the stores they claim to support is ludicrous. I sold and resold many games in the BGG marketplace as well before I lost my access. Hate to say it, but it’s one of the best places to move or trade games, but with Facebook a pale second (and themselves bent on oppressing non-hivemind freedom of thought themselves), I’ve struggled to continue on those lines. 🙁

  24. Yeah i left the site voluntarily when i saw that they were banning people for asking BGG to just be APOLITICAL i mean board games are supposed for the most part be apolitical an escape from reality…They really are obnoxious people ruining, comics, films, tv, videogames now sadly tabletop.
    I and many people like me are TIRED OF BEING LECTURED TO, by elitist …… who have a little bit of power now who were probably picked on for years.

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